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Since the first sculpture I made.

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I understood
I was customising my work.

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much more than ever before.

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When I was young. I thought
I would become an architect.

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more than a sculptor.

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At home there was my brother
and my sister.

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we had to obtain
a high school diploma quickly.

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to guarantee our living.

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My father died
when he was very young.

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we had to find a job soon.
after having finished our studies.

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but we could not
think about university studies.

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and I wasn't even interested
in university too much.

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It came naturally.

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I was not thinking about art.

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art for me was untouchable.
I love this term.

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it was impossible to touch it.
it was like being touched by God.

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But little by little.
visiting exhibitions.

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I felt I could give it a chance.

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I tried and then
I was discovered by the others.

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When I realised that
some things were working...

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I was 27. 30 years old.

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I was working at the
civil engineering office.

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I stopped studying after having
obtained a diploma as a surveyor.

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I started working at the
civil engineering office

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soon after the war.

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I worked for 7 years
in the public administration.

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and that helped me build myself.

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restoring private and public
property houses

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that had been destroyed
during the bombings.

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I understood that it was not
the job for me.

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I did not want
to become an architect.

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Therefore. I became a boy again.

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and I started building castles
in the air again.

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I liked for example
the ideas of Sennett.

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a great philosopher.
and semiologist. too.

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He says that if you get closer
to childhood.

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you will be able
to explain more things to yourself.

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Some things that I thought
as a young man. as a child.

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my search for solitude.

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they were due to my inability to do
what the other children were doing.

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I felt as if
I had something missing.

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I saw their works. their freshness.
their beautiful smiles

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and I almost felt jealous.

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I thought:
"Why am I not like that?"

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What they were doing
was extraordinary to them.

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these are my memories.

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and for me nothing
was extraordinary.

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I thought I could do more.

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I felt a sort of anguish.
even if I was very young.

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While growing up...

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I think I caused some problems
to my family.

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not in the sense of falling
into a hole.

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or having some accident.

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some problems
because of my silence.

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I was questioning myself and
I was giving the answers to myself.

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When I could not do it any longer
I asked questions

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and they answered: "Again?"

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Education comes from a philosophy
that involves religion.

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Maybe I was annoyed
by the religious aspects.

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I wanted and felt
a sort of freedom.

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but this freedom was limited
and I did not find it right.

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This condition blocked me.
it blocked my dreams and fantasies.

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I studied as a surveyor.
I immediately looked for job.

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but as soon as I found that.

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I was working only...

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luckily there was just one shift.

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and I had the whole afternoon free.

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Therefore in the afternoon
I daydreamed. in a loft.

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and there I was born.

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How?

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I did not find...

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I did not follow
the traditional path.

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making the first sculpture.
making its structure

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and then putting clay on it.

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It did not happen like that.

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I passed by a jewellery shop.

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jewellers in Pesaro used to work
next to the shop window.

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you could watch them working
from the street.

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and it still works like that.

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they continue that tradition.
which is very beautiful.

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I saw this gentleman. it was
almost Summer. the doors open.

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That laboratory arose my interest.

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I found many
burnt cuttlebones there.

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I did not understand
what their use could be.

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He showed me.

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he showed me how he melted
silver inside them.

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inside the cuttlebones.
put together as a sandwich.

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and I made a seed.
it looked like a seed.

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I thought one could make
many of them and put them together.

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I could make a row...

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I called these bas-reliefs
"horizons".

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they were like landscapes.

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I realised that I had
to exhibit them. I felt that desire.

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everybody was telling me they were
curious. they were beautiful.

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I could not judge myself.

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so I let the others judge.

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In Pesaro. where I worked.
at the civil engineering office.

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there was a man who was interested
in art and taught art.

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he asked me:
"Why don't you do an exhibition?"

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I had the opportunity of doing
an exhibition in Rome.

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I found myself in this gallery
by chance.

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it really was by chance.

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And since then my career started.

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I realised I wanted to quit
the civil engineering office.

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they invented
a personnel reduction law.

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so I sent my request.
to reduce their personnel.

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And I started living.

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Recently I was in New York
and I went to the UN.

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to visit one of my sculptures.
to see its conditions.

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I realised that in that street.
in New York.

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and I realised that at 88.
which is how old I am.

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I had 3 works. in New York.

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How did I do that?
I mocked myself.

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it is really hard to explain.

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but when something is well made.
well placed.

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and I feel self-confident.
I forget about it.

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My curiosity sends me there
to check if the sculpture is fine.

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I mean checking its oxidation.
sculptures often oxidize.

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especially in a city like New York.

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where there are many conditions
that favour oxidation.

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Fortunately I had left a note
explaining how to clean the works.

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I like it
when the works are clean.

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And they respectfully
clean them once a year.

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either in Spring or Autumn.

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in New York I have seen
the best conditions...

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for my sculptures.
They are very respectful.

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After all. they do not have
as many monuments as we do.

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It is not too hard.

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I go to the seaside very often.
I would love to live by the sea.

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and Pesaro is on the coast.
Milan is not.

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When I am in Milan
I travel and look for it.

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In a couple of days I am leaving.
I am going to Sicily.

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The relationship with the sea.
with the horizon. is amazing.

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It gives me the chance
to experience...

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to experience our cosmos.

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In my research I took the whole
Euclidean geometry into account.

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I studied the sphere.
the cylinder...

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the pure shapes of solid geometry.

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The sphere has more success
because it represents the world.

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Our world...

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it is a proliferating world.

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How can one not be curious
about it?

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Curious to understand that
so many things are born.

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When I was teaching
in American schools.

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there was a very beautiful place.
I asked if I could visit it.

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where scientists studied.

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I was fortunate enough to see such
things through magnifying lenses.

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and it is an amazing universe.
it moves. it is swarming.

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it is wonderful.
This is what I am interested in.

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At middle school I already...

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I could not stand mathematics.

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It was very hard.
but it was necessary.

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I realised that without mathematics
the world would not move.

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Nevertheless. there are many people
interested in maths.

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and I was interested
in the visionary part.

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finding yourself
in a room that is simple.

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but if you put some things
in the room. the room will change.

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it will become more beautiful.
It gives a value to beauty.

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a value
that has always stayed with me.

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Even now.
when something is beautiful.

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I can stand its negative sides.

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When you admire beauty
you cannot expect it to be perfect.

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even beauty can have
its complicated and dark sides.